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		<link>http://redpillpolitics.com/2008/03/04/race-and-politics-the-overused-divide/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>what the political parties believe of obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Democratic Party should not resort to stereotypes and generalizations in defense of a candidate howhttp://redpillpolitics.com/2008/03/04/race-and-politics-the-overused-divide/McCain: Obama&amp;39s Relations with Wright Beyond Belief ? PropellerTags: McCain, Obama, relations, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wdot</title>
		<link>http://redpillpolitics.com/2008/03/04/race-and-politics-the-overused-divide/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>wdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinny, next I&#039;ll be hearing from you that man was created in God&#039;s likeness and dinosaurs bones were fabricated by MIT lab geeks.  Instead of trying to dispute the validity of data, let me make the argument that you are attempting to make using data.

You believe that a certain portion of the Hispanic population is racist.  My evidence does not dispute that or even attempt to dispute that.  We are now arguing over magnitude. 

My arguments rests upon the assertion that the majority of the Hispanic electorate is not racist enough to not vote for a Black man, and therefore, the outcome of the Democratic Primary was not decided because of racism.  Racism could have been a contributing factor - even a 20% factor - but not an 80% factor.

So, even using my data, 30% of the Hispanic electorate could be totally racist - 1 in 3 of all Hispanic people you meet - enough to fuel all the anecdotal incidents you want.  BUT and this is the whole point, at least 55% of the Hispanic electorate is willing to vote for a Black man because they have voted for a black man in the past.  In fact, it&#039;s probably closer to 65-75% as you would want to account for the 10-20% who were willing to vote for a black candidate, but just liked the other guy more.  

Therefore, you can still call a significant portion of your people racist, and I can still say that at least 65-75% of the Hispanic electorate is not prejudiced enough to cross a candidate&#039;s name off the list simply because he is black.  They haven&#039;t done so in the past, so why do we think they would now?

Not believing in data and evidence without a tangible reason is never the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinny, next I&#8217;ll be hearing from you that man was created in God&#8217;s likeness and dinosaurs bones were fabricated by MIT lab geeks.  Instead of trying to dispute the validity of data, let me make the argument that you are attempting to make using data.</p>
<p>You believe that a certain portion of the Hispanic population is racist.  My evidence does not dispute that or even attempt to dispute that.  We are now arguing over magnitude. </p>
<p>My arguments rests upon the assertion that the majority of the Hispanic electorate is not racist enough to not vote for a Black man, and therefore, the outcome of the Democratic Primary was not decided because of racism.  Racism could have been a contributing factor &#8211; even a 20% factor &#8211; but not an 80% factor.</p>
<p>So, even using my data, 30% of the Hispanic electorate could be totally racist &#8211; 1 in 3 of all Hispanic people you meet &#8211; enough to fuel all the anecdotal incidents you want.  BUT and this is the whole point, at least 55% of the Hispanic electorate is willing to vote for a Black man because they have voted for a black man in the past.  In fact, it&#8217;s probably closer to 65-75% as you would want to account for the 10-20% who were willing to vote for a black candidate, but just liked the other guy more.  </p>
<p>Therefore, you can still call a significant portion of your people racist, and I can still say that at least 65-75% of the Hispanic electorate is not prejudiced enough to cross a candidate&#8217;s name off the list simply because he is black.  They haven&#8217;t done so in the past, so why do we think they would now?</p>
<p>Not believing in data and evidence without a tangible reason is never the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
		<link>http://redpillpolitics.com/2008/03/04/race-and-politics-the-overused-divide/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if the world was run exclusively on hard statistical data.  The role of emotion, culture, and even human irrationality tend to be highly understated, despite being crucial to everyday life.  Case in point:  trust.  What good are all the models, data, computers and systems of the world if people don&#039;t trust them?  You can never run an economy in which people have no trust.  The most sophisticated programs would collapse, yet no one thinks of trust as one of the most important pillars in the world.  

Likewise, there are many things that are never spoken about in the open, that cannot be measured; but that does not mean that they do not exist.  It also does not mean that they are not important.  Racial predisposition is undoubtedly one of them.  And it is not just white people that are pre-disposed to these things, it is everyone.  We all are.  Being politically correct does not solve anything, else the US would be on the other side, god knows how politically correct we are here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if the world was run exclusively on hard statistical data.  The role of emotion, culture, and even human irrationality tend to be highly understated, despite being crucial to everyday life.  Case in point:  trust.  What good are all the models, data, computers and systems of the world if people don&#8217;t trust them?  You can never run an economy in which people have no trust.  The most sophisticated programs would collapse, yet no one thinks of trust as one of the most important pillars in the world.  </p>
<p>Likewise, there are many things that are never spoken about in the open, that cannot be measured; but that does not mean that they do not exist.  It also does not mean that they are not important.  Racial predisposition is undoubtedly one of them.  And it is not just white people that are pre-disposed to these things, it is everyone.  We all are.  Being politically correct does not solve anything, else the US would be on the other side, god knows how politically correct we are here!</p>
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		<title>By: wdot</title>
		<link>http://redpillpolitics.com/2008/03/04/race-and-politics-the-overused-divide/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>wdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, don&#039;t become a lawyer.

Your argument: &quot;As far as I am concerned, there is NO argument that Latinos are very racist and they are NOT going to vote for a black man. No question.&quot;

My point:  The Hispanic electorate has supported black candidates in the past.  

My argument disproves your argument that [Latinos] &quot;are NOT going to vote for a black man&quot; because I present data that shows that a majority of the Hispanic electorate has voted for a black candidate.

And I didn&#039;t respond to your Latin America data b/c again, it is ridiculous to compare the California Hispanic electorate to the Latin American population as they are two very separate peoples.   And my examples are not &quot;anecdotal.&quot;  

Definition of anecdote: a short account of a particular incident or event of an interesting or amusing nature, &lt;strong&gt;often biographical&lt;/strong&gt;.

My evidence is just that - evidence.  Actual historical examples of the majority of the CA Hispanic electorate voting for a black candidate - something you said &lt;em&gt;would not and has never happened&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, don&#8217;t become a lawyer.</p>
<p>Your argument: &#8220;As far as I am concerned, there is NO argument that Latinos are very racist and they are NOT going to vote for a black man. No question.&#8221;</p>
<p>My point:  The Hispanic electorate has supported black candidates in the past.  </p>
<p>My argument disproves your argument that [Latinos] &#8220;are NOT going to vote for a black man&#8221; because I present data that shows that a majority of the Hispanic electorate has voted for a black candidate.</p>
<p>And I didn&#8217;t respond to your Latin America data b/c again, it is ridiculous to compare the California Hispanic electorate to the Latin American population as they are two very separate peoples.   And my examples are not &#8220;anecdotal.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Definition of anecdote: a short account of a particular incident or event of an interesting or amusing nature, <strong>often biographical</strong>.</p>
<p>My evidence is just that &#8211; evidence.  Actual historical examples of the majority of the CA Hispanic electorate voting for a black candidate &#8211; something you said <em>would not and has never happened</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
		<link>http://redpillpolitics.com/2008/03/04/race-and-politics-the-overused-divide/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it was obvious, or meant as obvious.  If we are talking about inability to make a case, then it becoming obvious was in your aid to make a case.  And honestly, I think you might be surprised, white people at least have the guilt of not being seen as racist, but hispanics definitely do not.  At least not when among other hispanics.  

The point was that selecting two/three results where some random black or asian person was elected for office represents the way people would vote is misleading.  Especially since there is no historical context.  You are just looking at the result.  I don&#039;t see how such a small sample is less anecdotal than my opinions, which are at least based on pretty deep knowledge of my culture.  I have not tried to say things about Asian culture because I don&#039;t know.  You however make it sound like you are more of an authority on my culture based on some random data points that prove nothing.  I showed previously proving the disparity and prevalent racism in Latin America, to which you never responded even.  The last thing I will do is hide behind sarcastic comments; I was simply replying in the tone that you have set when dealing with anyone that disagrees with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it was obvious, or meant as obvious.  If we are talking about inability to make a case, then it becoming obvious was in your aid to make a case.  And honestly, I think you might be surprised, white people at least have the guilt of not being seen as racist, but hispanics definitely do not.  At least not when among other hispanics.  </p>
<p>The point was that selecting two/three results where some random black or asian person was elected for office represents the way people would vote is misleading.  Especially since there is no historical context.  You are just looking at the result.  I don&#8217;t see how such a small sample is less anecdotal than my opinions, which are at least based on pretty deep knowledge of my culture.  I have not tried to say things about Asian culture because I don&#8217;t know.  You however make it sound like you are more of an authority on my culture based on some random data points that prove nothing.  I showed previously proving the disparity and prevalent racism in Latin America, to which you never responded even.  The last thing I will do is hide behind sarcastic comments; I was simply replying in the tone that you have set when dealing with anyone that disagrees with you.</p>
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		<title>By: wdot</title>
		<link>http://redpillpolitics.com/2008/03/04/race-and-politics-the-overused-divide/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>wdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is silly you.  I obviously was writing in the context of the Hispanic electorate.  Why would the Hispanic community be relevant in the discussion of why Obama lost the Hispanic vote as the Hispanic vote implies Hispanic electorate, no?  And frankly, you would have a hard time convincing me that Hispanic/Asian people are more racist than white people.  But that&#039;s another debate and doesn&#039;t pertain to the results of the California primaries.

And yes, I have used actual data to illustrate that the Asian and Hispanic electorates in California have supported Black candidates in the past.  So yes, that does make your argument that the Asian and Hispanic electorates are too racist to vote for a Black man a little silly.

So yes, silly on both accounts.  Show me data, Vinny.  Not sarcastic comments that hide your inability to make a case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is silly you.  I obviously was writing in the context of the Hispanic electorate.  Why would the Hispanic community be relevant in the discussion of why Obama lost the Hispanic vote as the Hispanic vote implies Hispanic electorate, no?  And frankly, you would have a hard time convincing me that Hispanic/Asian people are more racist than white people.  But that&#8217;s another debate and doesn&#8217;t pertain to the results of the California primaries.</p>
<p>And yes, I have used actual data to illustrate that the Asian and Hispanic electorates in California have supported Black candidates in the past.  So yes, that does make your argument that the Asian and Hispanic electorates are too racist to vote for a Black man a little silly.</p>
<p>So yes, silly on both accounts.  Show me data, Vinny.  Not sarcastic comments that hide your inability to make a case.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
		<link>http://redpillpolitics.com/2008/03/04/race-and-politics-the-overused-divide/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right.  It must be a matter of &quot;data analysis.&quot;   This is reminiscent of my days as an investment banker, where it was my personal duty to &quot;analyze the data&quot; until my employer came out on top in every possible league table.  

Data analysis:  remove any &quot;outliers,&quot; narrow the sample size, re-define terms, footnote the crap out of it all.   

On February 21, Wendy N. posted, and I quote:

&quot; 

&quot;Obama is losing the Latino vote because the Latino and Black community have &quot;racial tensions.&quot; 

Code for: The Hispanic community is racist and has issues voting for a Black man.

Obama is losing the Asian American vote because Asians are afraid of &quot;change&quot; and don&#039;t like black candidates. 
Code for: The Asian community is racist. &quot;

&quot;

So, on February 21, which corresponds to the date when I initially got started on this argument, Wendy N. was talking about &quot;The Hispanic Community&quot; and &quot;The Latino Community.&quot;  But now we are suddenly talking about the &quot;Hispanic Electorate.&quot;  Right, it&#039;s &quot;data analysis.&quot;  Silly me.    

And let&#039;s see, in the history of the US, which let&#039;s say started around 1776, there have been how many black leaders?  And how many have been supported by the Latino and Asian communities?  Well, there is Tom Bradley.  But not just him, we ALSO have Willie Brown AND Elihu Harris.  Wow, this must mean Asians and Latinos are not racist after all.  This is not anecdotal data; this is statistical analysis.  Being part of the Latino Community, and having strong ties to it is &quot;anecdotal&quot; however?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.  It must be a matter of &#8220;data analysis.&#8221;   This is reminiscent of my days as an investment banker, where it was my personal duty to &#8220;analyze the data&#8221; until my employer came out on top in every possible league table.  </p>
<p>Data analysis:  remove any &#8220;outliers,&#8221; narrow the sample size, re-define terms, footnote the crap out of it all.   </p>
<p>On February 21, Wendy N. posted, and I quote:</p>
<p>&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Obama is losing the Latino vote because the Latino and Black community have &#8220;racial tensions.&#8221; </p>
<p>Code for: The Hispanic community is racist and has issues voting for a Black man.</p>
<p>Obama is losing the Asian American vote because Asians are afraid of &#8220;change&#8221; and don&#8217;t like black candidates.<br />
Code for: The Asian community is racist. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221;</p>
<p>So, on February 21, which corresponds to the date when I initially got started on this argument, Wendy N. was talking about &#8220;The Hispanic Community&#8221; and &#8220;The Latino Community.&#8221;  But now we are suddenly talking about the &#8220;Hispanic Electorate.&#8221;  Right, it&#8217;s &#8220;data analysis.&#8221;  Silly me.    </p>
<p>And let&#8217;s see, in the history of the US, which let&#8217;s say started around 1776, there have been how many black leaders?  And how many have been supported by the Latino and Asian communities?  Well, there is Tom Bradley.  But not just him, we ALSO have Willie Brown AND Elihu Harris.  Wow, this must mean Asians and Latinos are not racist after all.  This is not anecdotal data; this is statistical analysis.  Being part of the Latino Community, and having strong ties to it is &#8220;anecdotal&#8221; however?</p>
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